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== "Historic" versus "Historical" ==
==18th Anniversary and Business Meeting==
* Save the date. I have booked [[Rojo]]'s side room for an 18th anniversary party and business meeting on the afternoon of Sunday, March 17, 2024 (St Patrick's Day) from 1:00 to 4:00. The agenda for the business meeting is "Time to Grow Up", and we will aim to draft an advisory committee which will take up the task of discussing the future of the website (succession plans, etc.)  Anyone interested is invited to join us. More information to come. Feel free to contact me with questions, etc. --[[User:Dystopos|Dystopos]] ([[User talk:Dystopos|talk]]) 10:05, 1 February 2024 (CST)
** I have created an event page on Facebook. If you haven't been invited to interact with that page and would like to be, just let me know. Facebook interaction is by no means a requirement for actually coming to the party. --[[User:Dystopos|Dystopos]] ([[User talk:Dystopos|talk]]) 14:43, 12 February 2024 (CST)
*** Thank you to everyone who showed up. It was a surprisingly good turnout and very enjoyable. --[[User:Dystopos|Dystopos]] ([[User talk:Dystopos|talk]]) 11:23, 19 March 2024 (CDT)


For the nitpicky amongst us, here's Grammar Girl on [http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/historic-versus-historical.aspx the use of "historic" vs. "historical"].  To summarize, historic is important; historical is just old.  Of course, when dealing with local history, this can no doubt lead to arguments.  (She also tackles "a historic" vs. "an historic", but that's even less clear cut.)  --[[User:Lkseitz|Lkseitz]] 11:30, 17 January 2011 (PST)
===Remarks===
* You can find a copy of my remarks here: [[Bhamwiki talk:Messageboard/18th Anniversary notes]]. --[[User:Dystopos|Dystopos]] ([[User talk:Dystopos|talk]]) 20:01, 18 March 2024 (CDT)


== Largest city wikis  ==
===Advisory committee ===
 
* As mentioned in my spoken notes, I do plan to convene an advisory committee or like body, using the names proferred in March (and any others who are interested). I expect to be sending out an email in the next week or so. --[[User:Dystopos|Dystopos]] ([[User talk:Dystopos|talk]]) 16:33, 10 May 2024 (CDT)
Reviving [[User:Dystopos]]' post from last year, with somewhat updated statistics.  A copy of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_wiki#Largest_city_wikis Wikipedia:City wiki#Largest city wikis] with all the non-USA wikis brashly tossed out:
 
{|class="wikitable sortable"
|-
!Rank
!Founded
!Name
!Location (City, State)
!Articles
!Images
!Edits
!Users
|-
|1
|2004-06-24
|[http://daviswiki.org/ DavisWiki]
|Davis, California
|16,993
|20,957
|300,448
|14,280
|-
|2
|2006-03-15
|[http://www.bhamwiki.com/w/Main_Page Bhamwiki]
|Birmingham, Alabama
|7,888
|2,753
|72,791
|324
|-
|3
|2007-02-06
|[http://www.omahawiki.org Omaha Commons]
|Omaha, Nebraska
|7,124
|1,408
|39,943
|729
|-
|4
|2005-09-09
|[http://arborwiki.org ArborWiki]
| Ann Arbor, Michigan
|6,951
|849
|46,649
|1,001
|-
|5
|2005-01-18
|[http://www.rocwiki.org RocWiki]
|Rochester, New York
|6,040
|3,003
|75,019
|5,938
|-
|6
|2006-12-05
|[http://www.mankatopedia.com Mankatopedia] (disabled)
|Mankato, Minnesota
|3,984
|572
|15,254
|99
|-
|7
|2006-02-27
|[http://www.scruzwiki.org Santa CruzWiki]
|Santa Cruz, California
|3,135
|1,603
|16,497
|98
|-
|8
|2005-07-18
|[http://www.bloomingpedia.org Bloomingpedia]
|Bloomington, Indiana
|3,109
|1,402
|27,179
|2,816
|-
|9
|2006-07-19
|[http://www.chicowiki.org Chico Wiki]
|Chico, California
|2,495
|2,070
|18,245
|90
|-
|10
|2009-09-28
|[http://portlandwiki.org/PortlandWiki PortlandWiki]
|Portland, Oregon
|466
|269
|4,889
|78
|-
|}
 
===Fun with statistics===
====Images====
* Images per article is 141.5% at DavisWiki, 83% at Chico Wiki, 51.1% at Santa CruzWiki, 49.7% at RocWiki, 45.4% at PortlandWiki, 42.7% at Bloomingpedia, '''30.1% at Bhamwiki''', 19.9% at Omaha Commons, and on down.  Of course, that doesn't count images that are used on more than one article. --[[User:Lkseitz|Lkseitz]] 12:07, 17 January 2011 (PST)
:* We've inched up to 32.0%, still a solid 7th. --[[User:Dystopos|Dystopos]] 00:34, 31 January 2011 (PST)
::* And now? [[User:Wheresdib|--Wheresdib]] 19:44, 8 February 2011 (PST)
:::* Just over 33%. --[[User:Dystopos|Dystopos]] 21:07, 8 February 2011 (PST)
::::* Closing in on 35% --[[User:Dystopos|Dystopos]] 09:16, 5 March 2011 (PST)
:::::* With a flurry of uploads from [[User:Patriarca12]] were now over 38% image-rich. --[[User:Dystopos|Dystopos]] 08:12, 1 May 2011 (PDT)
::::::* Still going through my archives. We'll be pushing 40% soon! [[User:Patriarca12|Patriarca12]] 12:28, 1 May 2011 (PDT)
 
====Edits per user====
:We're still on top of edits per user at 215.1, followed by 202.7 at Chico Wiki, 168.3 at Santa CruzWiki, 154.1 at Mankatopedia, 63.9 at Omaha Commons, and on down. --[[User:Lkseitz|Lkseitz]] 12:07, 17 January 2011 (PST)
::I've revised some of the data on the table. The sites that use DavisWiki's software are very frustrating. Anyway, it looks like Mankatopedia is missing in action. Our current "edits per user" is 218.8. Some of the Wikis count users with 1 or more edits separately from those who have registered and never edited. I expect if we did that, then we'd probably have something in the order of 25-35 "active" users, giving us an "edits per active user" closer to 2,000. --[[User:Dystopos|Dystopos]] 13:01, 17 January 2011 (PST)
 
== Fun with Street View ==
I've been having fun using Google Street View to link to recent views that match up to historic(al) photos, such as [[:Image:City Market sm.jpg]] and [[J. R. Copeland residence]]. Seems helpful as a way of connecting people's everyday experience to the past. Conveniently, when you get a link from Google (blue button on the top right of the viewing window) it's already formatted as a short URL. Comments and suggestions for expanding this tool are welcome. --[[User:Dystopos|Dystopos]] 13:28, 25 January 2011 (PST)
* I think the way you've been using it is fine.  I'll try to keep it in mind as I go forward. --[[User:Lkseitz|Lkseitz]] 10:46, 1 February 2011 (PST)
* I seem to be doing something different, as the URLs I'm getting aren't short. --[[User:Lkseitz|Lkseitz]] 11:37, 10 February 2011 (PST)
 
== Feature articles ==
* I've been mulling over the possibility of having some kind of "featured articles" listing on Bhamwiki. It might be a good place to direct newcomers who wouldn't be impressed with most of what a "random" page turns up. I think [[Linn Park]] and [[Wallace Rayfield]] are good candidates, based in part on the level of graphical content. Any other suggestions or thoughts on whether it's worth doing and how to do it? --[[User:Dystopos|Dystopos]] 15:21, 9 February 2011 (PST)
** See first stab at [[Bhamwiki:Featured articles]] --[[User:Dystopos|Dystopos]] 09:35, 13 February 2011 (PST)
*** Looks good to me. --[[User:Lkseitz|Lkseitz]] 11:14, 17 February 2011 (PST)
 
== Anniversary ==
[[Image:Bhamwiki 5th anniversary dinner.jpg|right|225px|thumb|Anniversary V at Davenport's Pizza (L-R: Lkseitz, Dystopos, Wheresdib)]]
* This year's FIFTH anniversary falls on a Tuesday, but in the past weekends have been better for everyone. Saturday the 12th is the last day of standard time. On Saturday the 19th we could all pitch in on a [http://bit.ly/igrOOR 5 Mile Creek cleanup] (or not). As before, my plan is to briefly share some milestones, mention a few possibilities for the future of the project, and hand out some goodies. I'll invite everyone in the Facebook "fan" list, so there's a possibility for a larger turnout, but who knows. I'm open to venue suggestions. Do you guys like [[Jim Davenport's Pizza Palace]]? --[[User:Dystopos|Dystopos]] 15:21, 9 February 2011 (PST)
** Alternately, we could stage a ''bal masque'' on the theme of "Night on Mount Olympus". Just let me know. --[[User:Dystopos|Dystopos]] 15:23, 9 February 2011 (PST)
** March 12 works best for me, Davenport's is fine (I haven't been there in 15 years though). [[User:Wheresdib|--Wheresdib]] 17:01, 9 February 2011 (PST)
*** I don't see anything major on the calendar either weekend yet, but March 12 is slightly better.  Despite growing up less than 1/2-mile from Davenport's, I don't recall ever eating there. --[[User:Lkseitz|Lkseitz]] 12:24, 10 February 2011 (PST)
**** March 12 is the date, then. Place to be determined. --[[User:Dystopos|Dystopos]] 11:59, 17 February 2011 (PST)
***** March 12 is the date. [[Jim Davenport's Pizza Palace]]. What time? 7:00? --[[User:Dystopos|Dystopos]] 09:57, 5 March 2011 (PST)
****** That or earlier works for me. --[[User:Lkseitz|Lkseitz]] 15:51, 7 March 2011 (PST)
****** Same here, 7 or earlier. [[User:Wheresdib|--Wheresdib]] 16:07, 7 March 2011 (PST)
*******And please make it an event on Facebook or I'll forget to come ;-). [[User:Wheresdib|--Wheresdib]] 08:21, 8 March 2011 (PST)
********I started too, but, the "like" page doesn't allow the creation of events, so I'll have to do it from the group page, which I had intended to deprecate. Ah well. --[[User:Dystopos|Dystopos]] 10:38, 8 March 2011 (PST)
===Results===
*As always, thanks for a great time, Dystopos! It was a nice night for pizza and a scooter ride. [[User:Wheresdib|--Wheresdib]] 05:31, 13 March 2011 (PDT)
**What he said, minus the scooter ride. Thanks, Dystopos. --[[User:Lkseitz|Lkseitz]] 06:01, 13 March 2011 (PDT)
***My pleasure. Darren, let's meet at Bakers' sometime. --[[User:Dystopos|Dystopos]] 17:46, 28 March 2011 (PDT)
****Hmmm, I haven't been to Baker's in a dozen years at least. No pun intended. [[User:Wheresdib|--Wheresdib]] 19:32, 29 March 2011 (PDT)
*****Wasn't that the pizzeria ya'll were talking highly about? --[[User:Dystopos|Dystopos]] 19:41, 29 March 2011 (PDT)
******Yes, but that was when it was "Baker's Best" in Huffman. He moved to Bluff Park and re-named it "Baker's Famous" in the late 90s and I haven't been to the "new" location. [[User:Wheresdib|--Wheresdib]] 07:50, 30 March 2011 (PDT)
 
== Dashes revisited ==
 
We've discussed [[Bhamwiki talk:Messageboard/Archive_2010#Dashes|dashes]] before.  I should have looked it up a long time ago, but instead of using "–", you can also hold down Alt and press "0150" on your numeric keypad.  Unfortunately, the en-dash (–) and hyphen (-) look identical in the editing window, at least on my computer, but a preview shows the difference.  (And Alt-0151 can be used for an em-dash (—), but we don't have much call for those.) --[[User:Lkseitz|Lkseitz]] 11:20, 17 February 2011 (PST)
* For the record, on a Mac, I can just use hold down the option key and type a hyphen. Like with Windows, the appearance in the input window is the same, but it shows up as an en dash in the article. (Thanks for inspiring me to look that up!). The "½" I've been using on some addresses requires going to the Special Characters palette on a Mac, but is accessible in windows with Alt+0189. An online tool I've used sometimes when I can't remember how to get a certain character is [http://www.copypastecharacter.com/ copypastecharacter.com]. ✌♥☺ --[[User:Dystopos|Dystopos]] 11:57, 17 February 2011 (PST)
 
== Return ==
AT&T promises to replace my non-functioning drop line from the pole in the alley tomorrow, so I should be able to rejoin the project then. One of the things on my to-do list is to upgrade to the current version of MediaWiki, so if anyone has any expertise or warnings to share, let me know. --[[User:Dystopos|Dystopos]] 17:45, 28 March 2011 (PDT)
* The first serviceperson said the drop line was damaged, but the guy who came today said that the lines just got switched, apparently by AT&T's other work in the area, and nothing was broken. Anyway. I'm back. --[[User:Dystopos|Dystopos]] 14:07, 29 March 2011 (PDT)
**Welcome back! We broke 8K articles while you were away. [[User:Wheresdib|--Wheresdib]] 19:31, 29 March 2011 (PDT)
 
== Back-up ==
* Just for safety's sake, you might want to save anything you work on from now until further notice in text files (just copy the contents of the edit window into notepad and save). I'm planning to try to upgrade to the current version of Mediawiki in the near future (as soon as I man up). --[[User:Dystopos|Dystopos]] 16:04, 30 March 2011 (PDT)
** Status so far. I've exported our 531 MB database in .SQL format (as I've always done for backups) and installed a Mediawiki 1.16.2 stack on my desktop machine with its own PHP and MySQL environment. That stack is running the mediawiki application, but when I went to import Bhamwiki's database, I found out it has a 2 MB limit on imports through phpMyAdmin. So the workaround is to just copy the actual file somewhere, but I don't know where or to run any of several command-line scripts which dump different versions of databases or XML files including different levels of information (user data, settings, history, etc), but I don't really know where to start with all that so I'm turning in for the night. --[[User:Dystopos|Dystopos]] 21:33, 30 March 2011 (PDT)
 
== Pages with lists of dates ==
 
In doing the various year pages, I noticed that Wikipedia is (now?) using dashes instead of colons between the date and the event (e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936 1936]).  Comparing it to our pages (e.g. [[1936]]), I kind of like their format better.  It makes the difference between the date and the name more obvious (see the Births sections on both pages).  They also only give a date once and then an indented list below it instead of our method of repeating the date, unlinked.  I have no preference regarding that detail, but thought I'd mention it in case someone else does.  (But given past history on such formatting trivialities, the answer is no, no one else really cares.)  Any thoughts? --[[User:Lkseitz|Lkseitz]] 11:29, 19 April 2011 (PDT)
* Whatevs. [[User:Wheresdib|--Wheresdib]] 16:51, 19 April 2011 (PDT)
 
== April 27 ==
 
Does anyone have an opinion on what the article for the [[April 27]] tornadoes should be called? [[User:Wheresdib|--Wheresdib]] 00:21, 3 May 2011 (PDT)

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18th Anniversary and Business Meeting

  • Save the date. I have booked Rojo's side room for an 18th anniversary party and business meeting on the afternoon of Sunday, March 17, 2024 (St Patrick's Day) from 1:00 to 4:00. The agenda for the business meeting is "Time to Grow Up", and we will aim to draft an advisory committee which will take up the task of discussing the future of the website (succession plans, etc.) Anyone interested is invited to join us. More information to come. Feel free to contact me with questions, etc. --Dystopos (talk) 10:05, 1 February 2024 (CST)
    • I have created an event page on Facebook. If you haven't been invited to interact with that page and would like to be, just let me know. Facebook interaction is by no means a requirement for actually coming to the party. --Dystopos (talk) 14:43, 12 February 2024 (CST)
      • Thank you to everyone who showed up. It was a surprisingly good turnout and very enjoyable. --Dystopos (talk) 11:23, 19 March 2024 (CDT)

Remarks

Advisory committee

  • As mentioned in my spoken notes, I do plan to convene an advisory committee or like body, using the names proferred in March (and any others who are interested). I expect to be sending out an email in the next week or so. --Dystopos (talk) 16:33, 10 May 2024 (CDT)
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